Comments on: irony is… http://www.jensdenofiniquity.com/2008/11/18/irony-is/ exciting, informative, snarky, and very likely fabricated tales of life as an american expat in london Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:06:21 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Stacey http://www.jensdenofiniquity.com/2008/11/18/irony-is/comment-page-1/#comment-2478 Stacey Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:54:31 +0000 http://www.jensdenofiniquity.com/2008/11/18/irony-is/#comment-2478 Yes: local people = white and "other" :roll: I know what you're saying, completely. Yes: local people = white and “other” roll

I know what you’re saying, completely.

]]> By: Jen http://www.jensdenofiniquity.com/2008/11/18/irony-is/comment-page-1/#comment-2476 Jen Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:10:08 +0000 http://www.jensdenofiniquity.com/2008/11/18/irony-is/#comment-2476 i'm not implying the person had racist intent. however even in the uk, "coloured" is in fact, considered at best very antiquated, and at worst, highly offensive by many people in the bme community. it may not be said with derogatory intent, but it is considered to be inappropriate. it comes from a time when anyone non-white was lumped into a gross catchall term which had nothing to do with their ethnicity. more importantly, it was also a term used by people in power to describe people in the minority, and therefore does not reflect the wishes or preferences of those being spoken about *today*. for example, people today in the uk (usually) choose to call themselves black british/black caribbean/black african/afro-caribbean. it is *particularly* offensive when used by senior managers in local government, as was the case here, because it is *our job* to be responsive and respectful to the people from the communities we serve - and that includes using proper terminology. i’m not implying the person had racist intent.

however even in the uk, “coloured” is in fact, considered at best very antiquated, and at worst, highly offensive by many people in the bme community. it may not be said with derogatory intent, but it is considered to be inappropriate. it comes from a time when anyone non-white was lumped into a gross catchall term which had nothing to do with their ethnicity. more importantly, it was also a term used by people in power to describe people in the minority, and therefore does not reflect the wishes or preferences of those being spoken about *today*. for example, people today in the uk (usually) choose to call themselves black british/black caribbean/black african/afro-caribbean.

it is *particularly* offensive when used by senior managers in local government, as was the case here, because it is *our job* to be responsive and respectful to the people from the communities we serve – and that includes using proper terminology.

]]> By: Strawberry http://www.jensdenofiniquity.com/2008/11/18/irony-is/comment-page-1/#comment-2475 Strawberry Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:54:34 +0000 http://www.jensdenofiniquity.com/2008/11/18/irony-is/#comment-2475 As an American expat, I can understand how wrong it feels to our ears, but having known a lot of completely non-racist Brits (and, for that matter, people of colour) who use the word "coloured", I have come to realise it is only a derogatory term in the certain geographic areas where it actually is a derogatory term. Elsewhere, it is just a descriptive word, with no necessarily associated good or bad connotation. I think one of the hardest things about being an expat is shedding our own sense of the absolute, and seeing things -- even shocking things -- with fresh eyes and an open mind. As an American expat, I can understand how wrong it feels to our ears, but having known a lot of completely non-racist Brits (and, for that matter, people of colour) who use the word “coloured”, I have come to realise it is only a derogatory term in the certain geographic areas where it actually is a derogatory term. Elsewhere, it is just a descriptive word, with no necessarily associated good or bad connotation.

I think one of the hardest things about being an expat is shedding our own sense of the absolute, and seeing things — even shocking things — with fresh eyes and an open mind.

]]> By: expatmonkey http://www.jensdenofiniquity.com/2008/11/18/irony-is/comment-page-1/#comment-2474 expatmonkey Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:04:21 +0000 http://www.jensdenofiniquity.com/2008/11/18/irony-is/#comment-2474 No offense, but as far as I know, "coloured" is in no way a derogatory term in the UK. I'm sure it sounds different to American ears, but here it's pretty much neutral. That's not to say the use of the word shouldn't be examined, but my point is, I'm sure it wasn't meant in a condescending or malicious way. There, I've delurked myself, and now you hate me :) I do enjoy the blog, though; you're an amazing writer. No offense, but as far as I know, “coloured” is in no way a derogatory term in the UK. I’m sure it sounds different to American ears, but here it’s pretty much neutral. That’s not to say the use of the word shouldn’t be examined, but my point is, I’m sure it wasn’t meant in a condescending or malicious way.

There, I’ve delurked myself, and now you hate me ) I do enjoy the blog, though; you’re an amazing writer.

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